Yep! Still a scam ! If the same people win the jackpots and the stellar lotteries (three or more times) there's a problem. I can't believe CCP won't enforce some type of Fairness oversight if they allow this site to use isk for gambling! I would encourage anyone who feels the same to file a petition as well! Bottom line, gambling is just that a gamble: whether you win or lose. This site takes out one part of the equation (winning) and just leaves the losing. If you have some isk to spare... I have some swamp property in Gallente space you might be interested in...

Andy Moo won 18/60 spaces
that's nearly 30% of the spaces including a place in every tier. How can the stella pool be fair if this can happen?

So you would prefer we had bankers playing but from secret identities?

You won 25 billion from 800 mil... How did you lose billions?

As I said and have done on so many occasions... Even streamed on twitch my playing Chars (Septu / Macaya / Demoness...)

We don't hide it for transparency, were not like the rest of the other sites. I am pretty sure I say this at least 5 - 6 times a day and on Twitch etc.

We show our backend and we also show profits / loss's (yes we do from time to time take a loss) for the day. All you have to do is ask and speak with us, instead you sent us mails while we were offline demanding isk to keep shun without allowing us to speak with you first...

However you resulted in going off on your own making your own assumptions and now you look foolish for having done so. If you don't want to play on our site, we are sad to see any person go, but your reasoning for doing so is wrong and you are mistaken.

Isk is relative to the player. Some cannot believe that other players have hundreds of billions of isk. So when they see hundreds of billions/trillions won, they just cannot fathom how on earth that is/was possible. Its like going into a casino and playing blackjack. The guy next to you is dropping 25K per hand while you play $5 a hand...

We don't need to scam anyone. The house takes a 2% cut which we give some back in various ways (x games / promos / twitch etc). This weekend alone we have given away in prizes over 400 billion...

Lastly - How it all works

Player A - loses
Player B - Wins
House - 2%

However the following can happen:

Player A - Wins - x2
Player B - Wins - Duplicate
House - loses isk

(the above can be modified into many possible outcomes)

Again - we have never hidden anything from players, TS3 is always open where you can speak directly to bankers / listen to players competing on the raffles etc. We have a open door policy and will show / share with you about how the site works...

Cannot say fairer than that and without releasing the code to the site, not sure how else to prove our legitimacy other than what we provide already.

You yourself have won 25 bil so not even sure why you are even doing this, unless there is another agenda...

o7

Actually I am currently looking in to this as this is indeed something that shouldn't be happening. Even though we are actually connected to random.org, our bits are not coming down.

lol its super cute in here :)

Somer had style.. This is why you will never be them

Carl Philipp Clausewitz - You were stupid enough to lose all your isk after a huge win... Sorry but you have the IQ of a glass of water.

New Eden - We have pen testers who have come to us wanting to sell exploits to your site... We always refused them... Get some style, perhaps I could sell you some or is that not available in Northern hemisphere? Perhaps I can bottle some Unicorn tears for you and send them?

Lastly - Curious you think Andy Moo is a bot LMFAO.... Cyber was a bot too at one point... As was Areokeler along with Septu / Macaya / Lenny omfg the list grows...

I miss Somer [Sadface], at least we had a good fun rapport with them, these new Eden guys are just fail in so many ways.

Get over it folks and grow up. If you dont know how to, I can lend you my niece who just started "big school". She could teach you allot about growing up...

Trollolololol

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No the point is.... Never mind you just dunna get it lol

GÖÑ Still cute GÖÑ

GÖÑ Still cute GÖÑ

I've been stressed before by things that people bring up, such as on EVEalopalous when someone got teary and decided to start posting false virus alerts all over the place. This actually damaged us as we weren't that big yet.

This situation has not one bit stressed me.

You think you found something man but there is nothing to find that can give you any proof,. as I just give no one any advantage.

Claims come and go. Good luck man.

I like how original this New Eden Club website looks...so fresh and new...oh wait...never mind...it's a somer knock off with some flashy snowflakes...

That being said, anyone is welcome to post their opinions as well on these forums, be it positive or negative. This is why I allow those that make claims to post their claims and findings. Since we have nothing to hide, there is nothing that worries us.
I like hearing stories of winners, but winners don't often come on forums to post their winnings.

I can't say I don't enjoy seeing losers complain and find something to blame other than themselves. It makes me sad as well, but hey, I am a masochist to my emotions =]

HEART HEART HEART! <3<3<3333
<1+<2=<3

Sorry I know New Eden doesn't like hearts now. >=]

It's okay to not want to post on your main Carl...unless you want to tell me that a character with a Date of Birth: 2014-10-21 18:47 is your main.

Sure why not ?!

Wow this forum is still poppin' =]

Definitely one of the places on the web I check on a daily basis now =]

So let's see. I am finally back to progress nicely on coding some features. (I might have to code a tears section (would that make us look scammy?))

I am an extremely nice person and EVE has made me build an iron casing around my heart. Eve is ruthless and thank the universe for that. EVE made me learn so much and even motivated me to code. Thanks CCP for all the work ytou've done on EVE. I wouldn't be having this much fun without you.

That was just a little rant. =]

Either way, I have to go do some mails cause I have over 300 of them.

I see Carl and New Eden are here.
I don't have beef with Carl, what he found does look suspicious and it is great that he would report it for any site. However, the mind does create patterns where there shouldn't be.
New Eden though. I have only one thing to say to you.

<3

Carl,
EVE online is rated teen.

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

Under the ESRB that allows for simulated gambling.
No one under 13 should be on EVE.

Serious question here; Why are you still depositing ISK into our site if you are so sure it's a scam? You just made a deposit 15 minutes ago. Either way, I hope you're able to turn your deposit into some profit.

None of us hold any ill will towards you, we're just a bit dumbfounded by the fact that you've clearly made billions from our site [as you admitted yourself] before playing it all back in and losing (your choice, you weren't forced), yet still think you're being scammed just because you found out some of the bankers play on the site with their own non-banker characters, which was NOT a secret to begin with.

The point is this; We aren't scamming anyone. And noone of our players believe you, or that we are. I Want Isk is a business that generates a very solid income which would quickly disappear if we started cheating or scamming our players. They would see it happen, start talking amongst themselves and we'd have nothing left but a site with no customers. We make MORE money being 100% legit than we would by scamming. This is what you're failing to realize.

We give out hundreds of billions of ISK every month in promotional games just for the point of giving back to our players, as well as people who don't even play on our site since we don't limit our external games to just paying customers. Yes, this is a business tactic used all over the world, from multimedia giants down to tiny little stands in grocery stores; but it doesn't change the fact that the main reason we do it is to reward people for making our site possible. Without them, we'd be closed.

Looks like Damage Control!

Good it looks more professional !

You can end our daily communication with 4 Things.

1.) Use a outside Randomizer! (Random.org)

2.) Rename the Stellar Pool into Banker Pool

3.) Pay back all my deposits (you can see it as a Pr - Fee as there is no bad Pr just Pr).

4.) Pod yourself in front of Jita 4-4.


And by the way did you ever think about your younger customers?! Kids shouldnt gamble. Iam old enough to lose my Isk to Isk Doubl +ñhm Iwantisk but there are a lot of Kids in the game.

lol its super cute in here :)

Somer had style.. This is why you will never be them

Carl Philipp Clausewitz - You were stupid enough to lose all your isk after a huge win... Sorry but you have the IQ of a glass of water.

New Eden - We have pen testers who have come to us wanting to sell exploits to your site... We always refused them... Get some style, perhaps I could sell you some or is that not available in Northern hemisphere? Perhaps I can bottle some Unicorn tears for you and send them?

Lastly - Curious you think Andy Moo is a bot LMFAO.... Cyber was a bot too at one point... As was Areokeler along with Septu / Macaya / Lenny omfg the list grows...

I miss Somer [Sadface], at least we had a good fun rapport with them, these new Eden guys are just fail in so many ways.

Get over it folks and grow up. If you dont know how to, I can lend you my niece who just started "big school". She could teach you allot about growing up...

Trollolololol

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I also agree I Want Isk should pod himself outside of Jita 4-4 :D

IWI is a scam site, Rigged, Stay away is all i can suggest to eve players becasue the games are not using a true RNG.

it a real shame CCP lets this happen. They only care if it is RMT. But who cares about players huh.

More times than enouth I see people buy more raffle tickets than the prize is worth just to win it everytime, yeah that makes sense.